Click here or on "wiki" in the top tab menu. Customs and courtesies for NCOs? So here I am, a spritely young Specialist just out if AIT, sitting on a bench smoking with my friend.
A Sergeant Major walks by, and neither of us really say anything. At AIT, they told us you don't really acknowledge NCOs when you're out and about, because as my PSG said "Sergeant Major doesn't want to talk to you, and even though he doesn't know who you are, he already wants to punch you in the face. So he whips around and asks us why we didn't say anything when he passed. I tell him that we were instructed to basically leave the NCOs alone and salute the officers while rendering the appropriate greeting.
So here I am, fearing that Sergeant Major is going to punch me in the face, because I've always been told that Sergeants Major exist solely to punch dumb Joes in the mouth. After about three minutes, he goes on about his day and here I am.
So what IS the rule? Are there certain courtesies you're supposed to extend to NCOs in passing, and is there a relevant AR I can look at for future reference? You don't ahve to snap to parade rest every time they pass but for fuck's sake, say good day. It has actually kept me out of a face-punch once or twice. Here's what I've got for you. If you see an E9, or an E8 for that matter: Go to parade rest, and greet them.
It will save you a lot of headache in the longrun. Don't think of it as bothering them. Whoever told you that has a negative perception of the situation. You are giving respect to the rank and individual; I don't know any senior NCOs that would be annoyed by that. That's probably what your CSM was expecting. Yeah its been an interesting habit. Situational awareness goes a long way. If they come within earshot then it's always a good time to acknowledge them verbally. I'm not disagreeing with you as far as acknowledging but calling at ease out doors might be a smidge too far.
Greeting of the day or unit motto Ie: Good time of day sergeant major. Or Insert unit motto sergeant major. Don't be scared he's just a person he was a dumb joe once too. I think the situational awareness comments apply most. So many situations seem to have this stupid protocol dance that experience helps you figure out the right action over time.
Some crowded situations seem to never be a problem, but if you lock eyes with the sgt maj it's too late to pretend they are not there. And then if you overtly avoid a gaze that is like snubbing him, and sure to cause more attention. Are you in a crowd? Is it just two or three and no one around for miles?
Are you in a training environment, in garrison, the field or deployed? Bottom line, respect the position and take a moment to address them if nothing more than to give them the appropriate greeting of the day.
If the situation allows the good ones will take a moment to engage you in a conversation deeper than a quick response. SGM's like to flex their muscles sometimes. It can't hurt to just say good morning either. If I am tlling them something it is because I was told grab some troops and make this happen.
Any help is most appreciated. While a Private may not have to treat you like an NCO, they are required at this certain juncture to take commands since you are acting on the behalf of the NCO or Officer that issued the tasking. My advice- advise Private Snuffy that you are in charge of the detail, and that at a minimum, any orders given by you are in fact orders given by so-and-so whomever put you in charge of the detail.
My Detachment 1SG was on leave for 40 days and the E-5 was at a school for a month. That left me to be the Detachment 1SG for a month. I told them they may not respect me for who I am or my grade, but while I was filling the role of the duty I was performing, they were to respect me for that.
However, this, was, ultimately a few years back and the Army has changed since then, but I am sure it is still the same policy. There is no breakdown in authority. I am sure they can aid you in your referendum. Like Reply 0 Likes. The bottom line is, you were told presumably by an NCO to get something done. Regardless of that fact, if you are put in charge of a detail, you are simply in charge.
I have been put in charge of things before over people who outranked me. Because you are put in that position, you aren't to abuse it, but by the same token they must respect your position. I have 2 E-4 P squad leaders, I made sure my other soldiers understood that they were in charge. If they had a problem with that, they can see me while signing a I have also told my squad leaders that if it is deemed necessary, they can drop them.
The whole thing about if an E-4 drops another soldier they have to drop also is a myth. I have my squad leaders counsel my soldiers also even though in my unit an E-4 doing a counseling statement is frowned upon. I say what better way to learn then put them in the hot seat. I proof read all of them first though, but anyways, I suggest that your NCO has a talk with the other soldiers and explain to them what auto-rotate and 97E explained.
What you tell them to do comes down from an NCO and they will complete the mission regardless of the rank of the person who is in charge.
It all boils down to chain of command. If you are senior to them in the chain, they should obey your orders. Finally, you can do on the spot corrections such as uniform violations to anyone tactfully of course. I came to work and grabbed a beret with no unit crest on it. Let me know so I can fix it before someone else corrects me on it. Sounds like some of the soldiers in your unit are having a problem with authority and maybe you can enlist the assistance of an NCO in correcting this matter pronto.
As for anything else, heed the advice above and good luck. This is a touchy one because it treads the line of a junior soldier disrespecting you, feeling that you, are trying to take advantage of them. When I was a E4 P I had two soldiers who worked with me in my section.
Luckily for me, they were both spankin new from AIT and understood that the person in charge is the person in charge. I always say, and I tell my soldiers that "people will treat you how you carry yourself".
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Apr 04, · You can also find it in Chapter 4 of the new Soldier's Guide". It starts on page , and it is in paragraph , along with a buch of other military customs and courtesies that many soldiers today are not even aware of.
Sep 07, · Is there a reg anywhere out there that states that lower enlisted must obey E-4's? ex. I am a specialist(P) and I tell a private of any paygrade to accomplish a certain task. Do they have to do it? Of course this is provided that I am not just trying to sham or take advantage of the rank. I hear " I dont have to because you arent an NCO" quite frequently. Start studying CUSTOMS AND COURTESIES. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools.
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